~ Humanitarian Law ~

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Re: ~ Humanitarian Law ~

Postby John the Monkey mind » Fri May 25, 2012 9:27 am

Phalanxpursos wrote:I am Syncretist, so I believe in Religious Harmony and Greek Philosophy. Stoicism preaches that Liberty is a Natural Law (Themis), so the main issue with Stoicism is Law. So yes I am Stoic Syncretist, I believe in Freedom, Discipline and Religious Harmony. Humanitas (Humanism) is from the Roman Republic, the Roman Republic regarded Humanism as refinement of Civilization. The Romans used Humanitas for Expansionistic Purposes, Humanitas is what brought Civilization to early Europe. Because I am Syncretist, that's why I am alowed to believe in more than one religion, follow more than one culture and practice more than one philosophy.


If you believe in everything then everything is of relative value and conversely there are no moral absolutes so you believe in nothing. Yet you still have created a system from the nothing that needs defending against offence or criticism.

I can see why you would require law to explicitly tell people how to interact as you have no absolute base. You could justify any degradation or perversion with your system of thought and make criticism of it a crime. Speech crime has already made it onto the books in the UK.

I use other Philosophy and religions to inform but its not good to fudge the difference. Harmony is fine but balance is more in line with nature.

On Liberty I think Aristotle was closer to the truth where it comes to human nature. However virtue leads people to treat others with respect. I do not need an over paid lawyer telling me that and I should be free to offend not threatened with the courts for my speech.
The problem is your world view levels us all down to the slavish under the (benevolent ?? we hope) law.

I am free and the law can neither make me a true slave nor if I was a slave could the law make me truly free.
Freedom is my nature but still needs refining by attempting to live a life of virtue and although I do not always succeed I keep trying.

I have worked on estates where people lounge on well-fair as true slaves to their chaotic nature. No mater how much money you give them you will never free them from them-self.
To free them you would have to make them take responsibility for their own life sink or swim and you would have to provide moral example and correction.
Still the secular morals of tolerance can not provide this so they live on as slaves degraded in dignity by their own actions and attitude. Its a unpopular idea but some people are just bad people and make the lives of others worse by their behaviour and on some level it was often their choice. I went to the toughest school in my town and I can tell you that some of my class mates made the move to being bad people if only by one bad move after another. It was their choice and often the easy or entertaining one, still in a world of relative values who would chose the hard road?

Anyway liberalism in the modern sense is on the way out, it is a failed model and all states that are following it are on the way down as far as I can tell.
People are sick of it and economies are collapsing under the vested interests (Like the highly lucrative equality and human rights industry) and high state spending. They suffer from demographic collapse and weal-fair dependence. So we live and we wait for what comes next. I like many others am post liberal.
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Re: ~ Humanitarian Law ~

Postby Brian » Fri May 25, 2012 10:01 am

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Brian wrote:You talk about Freedom, Freedom of Speech, Liberty as if everyone had these things....do you think they have these things in Russia, Iraq, Iran, China, Cuba...eh? You intelecualise ad nauseum about Idealistic Theory but choose to ignore what is happening all over the world.

Hey buddy, aparently don't we know eachother so good. I used to worry about the problems in the world, until I figured out that you achieve more by educating people. But you don't want to be educated, instead you resist me for some unclear reason. Look I watch the news almost every day OK, so I know what sort of problems are out there in the world.


You don't worry about the problems of others in the world less fortunate than you....not very humanitarian of you!! Obviously lacking in Compassion....not very Spiritual of you!
I am completely open to education....by competent teachers...of which you are not!
Resistance is futile (as the Borg said) however, I know this better because of my study of Taiji Philosophy.
Damn! I must stop watching the news every day...else I will end up just like you!!

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Brian wrote:You should apply some of that 'Formal Science' to your own argument..and see your own mistakes.


Brian don't use my own statements against me OK, thank you.


Why ever not?? Is this not the basis of intellectual argument?....just following your lead!

I am Syncretist, so I believe in Religious Harmony and Greek Philosophy. Stoicism preaches that Liberty is a Natural Law (Themis), so the main issue with Stoicism is Law. So yes I am Stoic Syncretist, I believe in Freedom, Discipline and Religious Harmony. Humanitas (Humanism) is from the Roman Republic, the Roman Republic regarded Humanism as refinement of Civilization. The Romans used Humanitas for Expansionistic Purposes, Humanitas is what brought Civilization to early Europe. Because I am Syncretist, that's why I am alowed to believe in more than one religion, follow more than one culture and practice more than one philosophy.


I am NOT a syncretist...yet I believe in religous harmony, liberty and freedom....I am also FREE to believe in more than one religion (if I so choose), follow more than one culture and practice more than one philosophy.....I don't need permision from anyone!!
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Re: ~ Humanitarian Law ~

Postby John the Monkey mind » Fri May 25, 2012 12:42 pm

Brian wrote:
I am NOT a syncretist...yet I believe in religous harmony, liberty and freedom....I am also FREE to believe in more than one religion (if I so choose), follow more than one culture and practice more than one philosophy.....I don't need permision from anyone!!


Well said. I think their is a wealth of philosophy to choose from and everyone is free to choose. One of the things I love about Taiji is its practice causes you to grow as a person and gives you a sense of up and down forward and back.

Interestingly if you look at many of the grate philosophers from history you find some evidence they were also martial artist.

My current pick from the east is Confucius.



An oppressive government is more to be feared than a tiger.


By three methods we may learn wisdom: First, by reflection, which is noblest; Second, by imitation, which is easiest; and third by experience, which is the bitterest.


A superior man is modest in his speech, but exceeds in his actions.

He who exercises government by means of his virtue may be compared to the north polar star, which keeps its place and all the stars turn towards it.
http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/c/confucius.html

He is so right about the world.

The Confucian Code of Rites (Liji) is expected to be the controlling document on civilized behavior, not law. In the Confucian world view, rule of law is applied only to those who have fallen beyond the bounds of civilized behavior. Civilized people are expected to observe proper rites. Only social outcasts are expected to have their actions controlled by law. Thus the rule of law is considered a state of barbaric primitiveness, prior to achieving the civilized state of voluntary observation of proper rites. What is legal is not necessarily moral or just.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/EG24Ad01.html
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Re: ~ Humanitarian Law ~

Postby Phalanxpursos » Sat May 26, 2012 8:12 am

I don't know what it is that I have done that offended you so much, all I did was write about Humanitarian Law. Something which is too terrible for you, to recognise the fact that we are Humans. So I don't understand you, you can write epic sagas here on ymaa forums, but it don't inspire me that much. Why are you against me? What is it that I have done that offended you so much?
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Re: ~ Humanitarian Law ~

Postby Brian » Sat May 26, 2012 8:34 am

Phalanxpursos wrote:I don't know what it is that I have done that offended you so much, all I did was write about Humanitarian Law. Something which is too terrible for you, to recognise the fact that we are Humans. So I don't understand you, you can write epic sagas here on ymaa forums, but it don't inspire me that much. Why are you against me? What is it that I have done that offended you so much?


You must have a persecution complex if you think we are all against you merely because we engage you in intellectual argument and (in the most part) disagree with you. Why is that?

We are ALL of ONE race....the HUMAN race...no one is denying this or failing to recognise it!

If our 'epic sagas' here on this forum don't inspire you..then it is perhaps because this is a fairly specialised forum dealing with Taiji, QiGong and martial arts in general. It is not a forum on the 'Classics', Greek, Roman or otherwise.
Do you by any (slim) chance engage in martial arts??

As for you offending 'us'...well I can only speak for myself...you haven't offended me at all, but you do worry me in so far as you seem to take too literally all this classical greek theory and are in fact adrift from the realities of this world.
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Re: ~ Humanitarian Law ~

Postby Phalanxpursos » Sat May 26, 2012 8:51 am

Brian wrote:You must have a persecution complex if you think we are all against you merely because we engage you in intellectual argument and (in the most part) disagree with you. Why is that?


Well yes I do have complexes, I have Post Traumatic Stress for 18 years.

Brian wrote:We are ALL of ONE race....the HUMAN race...no one is denying this or failing to recognise it!


OK thank you for that statement.

Brian wrote:If our 'epic sagas' here on this forum don't inspire you..then it is perhaps because this is a fairly specialised forum dealing with Taiji, QiGong and martial arts in general. It is not a forum on the 'Classics', Greek, Roman or otherwise.


Well I thought I'd introduce this forum to International Law because at this moment we got the situation of Chen Guangcheng from China who wants to study Humanitarian Law in America, I posted about Greek philosophy because there is lots of philosophy on this forum.

Brian wrote:Do you by any (slim) chance engage in martial arts??


I began my martial arts practice at the age of 8, I did judo (brown belt), karate (green belt), jiu jitsu (white belt). I had lots of hardcore accidents as a child, so I became disabled at the age of 19. After I had Ostiopathy did I make a comeback with Martial Arts, I began practicing Chinese Martial Arts. I did Nan Chuan, Chang Chuan, Jian Shu, Yang Style, Chen Style, Chi Kung, but I gave up because my broken spinal makes me really sick when I sport. So I gave up on sports and focused of literature, I've been reading a lot about philosophy.

Brian wrote:As for you offending 'us'...well I can only speak for myself...you haven't offended me at all, but you do worry me in so far as you seem to take too literally all this classical greek theory and are in fact adrift from the realities of this world.


Me personally am I Syncretist and Anthropologist, I did lots of reading about ancient China. Then I found out that I got to pay more attention to European Culture, so I turned to Roman and Greek literature.
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Re: ~ Humanitarian Law ~

Postby Brian » Sat May 26, 2012 9:36 am

Brian wrote:Do you by any (slim) chance engage in martial arts??


I began my martial arts practice at the age of 8, I did judo (brown belt), karate (green belt), jiu jitsu (white belt). I had lots of hardcore accidents as a child, so I became disabled at the age of 19. After I had Ostiopathy did I make a comeback with Martial Arts, I began practicing Chinese Martial Arts. I did Nan Chuan, Chang Chuan, Jian Shu, Yang Style, Chen Style, Chi Kung, but I gave up because my broken spinal makes me really sick when I sport. So I gave up on sports and focused of literature, I've been reading a lot about philosophy.


Interesting spectrum of activities, and it is unfortunate that your injuries are bad enough to prevent further study.

Me personally am I Syncretist and Anthropologist, I did lots of reading about ancient China. Then I found out that I got to pay more attention to European Culture, so I turned to Roman and Greek literature.


You keep returning to this same definition of yourself, ie Syncretist, but, what about the 'real' you, the Spiritual you, the human you??....not the 'pidgeon-holed' intellectually defined you (who relies on ancient classical theoretical literature).

Even your 'user name'....instills a certain military undertone...Phalanx: Ancient and Modern Greek: φάλαγγες, phālanges) is a rectangular mass military formation, usually composed entirely of heavy infantry armed with spears, pikes, sarissas, or similar weapons. The term is particularly (and originally) used to describe the use of this formation in Ancient Greek warfare, although the ancient Greek writers used it to also describe any massed infantry formation, regardless of its equipment.
Pursos: Greek, meaning Torch (or Light)
Do you see yourself as a Beaming light for some intellectual army??
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Re: ~ Humanitarian Law ~

Postby John the Monkey mind » Sat May 26, 2012 9:59 am

Brian wrote:
We are ALL of ONE race....the HUMAN race...no one is denying this or failing to recognise it!


Well we are one species but as for the one race idea most international bodies such as the UN would see it otherwise as would most scientific observers.

Definition
Race refers to a group of people who share the same physical characteristics such as skin tone, hair texture, and facial features. The transmission of traits from one generation to another is a complex process that is examined in a field of study called genetics.


http://cyberschoolbus.un.org/discrim/race_a.asp

That is not to say that it is any reason to be bad to each other but that it is what it is, global diversity is a good thing as well as being really interesting it may also have strong links to biodiversity and conservation.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-18020636

Actual anthropology and paleoanthropology are incredibly interesting subjects and I studied a bit of it at university in my first year.
The whole one race thing is just words.

By the way no one has upset me on this forum and I really have no vendetta against anyone.
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Re: ~ Humanitarian Law ~

Postby Brian » Sat May 26, 2012 10:24 am

John the Monkey mind wrote:
Brian wrote:
We are ALL of ONE race....the HUMAN race...no one is denying this or failing to recognise it!


Well we are one species but as for the one race idea most international bodies such as the UN would see it otherwise as would most scientific observers.

Definition
Race refers to a group of people who share the same physical characteristics such as skin tone, hair texture, and facial features. The transmission of traits from one generation to another is a complex process that is examined in a field of study called genetics.



Of course we are all the one species...however, my use of 'race' here was using the common characteristic that we are all 'human'....ie, the human race.

The whole one race thing is just words.


I agree, since 'words' are all we have to communicate and use in the definition (and hence understanding) of the world around us. It then follows that, in the end, any definition, by the UN or anyone else, of 'race' is all just words.
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Re: ~ Humanitarian Law ~

Postby John the Monkey mind » Sat May 26, 2012 10:41 am

Brian wrote:I agree, since 'words' are all we have to communicate and use in the definition (and hence understanding) of the world around us. It then follows that, in the end, any definition, by the UN or anyone else, of 'race' is all just words.


Very true however its the same question of if you believe there are different breeds of dogs or not.
Does it help to know if the puppy you just ordered is a St Bernard or a Chiwawa or could it be that as they are all dogs it is irrelevant?
This is just a matter of perspective after all they are both dogs.

Still it is interesting to look at the dereferences in dogs, if you chose to just call them dogs or to call them St Bernards and Chiwawas makes a small difference to the universe. A rose by any other name would smell as sweet.
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Re: ~ Humanitarian Law ~

Postby Phalanxpursos » Sun May 27, 2012 9:42 am

I apologise for any inconvenience which my topic may have caused.


Brian wrote:Interesting spectrum of activities, and it is unfortunate that your injuries are bad enough to prevent further study.


Thanks for that comment.

Brian wrote:You keep returning to this same definition of yourself, ie Syncretist, but, what about the 'real' you, the Spiritual you, the human you??....not the 'pidgeon-holed' intellectually defined you (who relies on ancient classical theoretical literature).


The spiritual side of me likes Ancient Civilizations, such as Ancient Egypt, Greece, Rome and China.

Brian wrote:Even your 'user name'....instills a certain military undertone...Phalanx: Ancient and Modern Greek: φάλαγγες, phālanges) is a rectangular mass military formation, usually composed entirely of heavy infantry armed with spears, pikes, sarissas, or similar weapons. The term is particularly (and originally) used to describe the use of this formation in Ancient Greek warfare, although the ancient Greek writers used it to also describe any massed infantry formation, regardless of its equipment.
Pursos: Greek, meaning Torch (or Light)
Do you see yourself as a Beaming light for some intellectual army??


I have utmost respect for your comments regarding my name, I'll tell you some of the nicknames I've had. I began calling myself WhiteWolf in 1999, then did I make a new nickname for myself called LucisGladius (LightenedSword). When I got tired of that name, did I create the name PhalanxPursos (BalanceBeacon).

Or atleast is BalanceBeacon the name that resulted in PhalanxPursos.

John the Monkey mind wrote:Actual anthropology and paleoanthropology are incredibly interesting subjects and I studied a bit of it at university in my first year.
The whole one race thing is just words.


I too wanted to study Anthropology, but I canceled my studies because of sickness. I have a damaged liver because of medication I got in my childhood, it gave me a sleeping disease. But anyways when I was younger did I have complexes about my injuries because of Post Traumatic Stress, I was sick in bed many times because of an untreated broken lower spinal. So I had too much problems for me to be able to focus on school, I turned to music. After I had an accident with my left hand, did I quit music and turned to literature. I became worried about all the problems in the world, I had a nervous breakdown. Now is 4/5 of my Post Traumatic cured because of medication, now I decided to stop worrying about the problems in world and instead focus on teaching people about Humanitarian Law.
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