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wpgtaiji wrote: chen seems to rely on a totally different idea than Yang
wpgtaiji wrote:ok, i didnt mean that chen had no influence on Yang! As far as i can tell, yang went to chen village so it is a moot point on that (read GIVEN). However, chen seems to rely on a totally different idea than Yang (albeit, my experience is rather limited with chen), so we ask, where?
It would be something like this: Guy goes to learn Aikido from Ueshiba. Aikido is basically a grappling art. Yet, somehow, Guy (who later becomes the ULTIMATE FIGHTING CHAMPION OF THE UNIVERSE - to use modern silliness) is now a master of a STRIKING art.. hmm. Where and how did this come about? In modern world, he would probably be discredited and bad mouthed in forums .. who knows. But results dont lie.
What do i mean? Like i said, my chen is limited, but as I understand it, chen was designed for battle warfare, meeting soldiers with armor and such. The result is the applications revolve around more of a close quarter combat (throws etc). Yang style, while could be, and has that aspect, it relies on striking mechanics.
Like i said, chen had some influence, but to say Yang came from Chen.. i dont buy it.
Dvivid wrote:Yang taijiquan is not gentle. Most of the movements contain an application which is a deadly cavity strike.
Dvivid wrote:Yang taijiquan is not gentle. Most of the movements contain an application which is a deadly cavity strike.
And, I agree with wpg that it doesn't seem that Yang Tai Chi is born of Chen style. Yang style bears a lot more similarity to earlier kung fu styles, and many of these older forms (which are not included in Chen tai chi) remain unchanged.
yeniseri wrote:
I must live in an alternate universe! What you describe is an exception and not the rule since I have come across few people who are 'good' at Yang style in an adroit manner of application and behavioural orientation and expectation.
wpgtaiji wrote:People that tell you you can be "gentle" dealing with a hostile situation where the person really wants to hurt you is lying to you and should be killed... well, at least punched in the head, then taken to jail!
If you remember, there NO pushes in taiji...
Josh Young wrote:Pushes in taiji are well documented and well known from most styles.
And yes, you can be gentle with people trying to hurt you, and people suggesting that are actually wiser than those who go around suggesting punching people in the head.
Josh Young wrote:wpgtaiji wrote:People that tell you you can be "gentle" dealing with a hostile situation where the person really wants to hurt you is lying to you and should be killed... well, at least punched in the head, then taken to jail!
If you remember, there NO pushes in taiji...
Pushes in taiji are well documented and well known from most styles.
And yes, you can be gentle with people trying to hurt you, and people suggesting that are actually wiser than those who go around suggesting punching people in the head.
Josh Young wrote: Living that life and acting that way is not something I condone or espouse, suggesting people punch others or start fights seems to me unwise and indicative of poor charachter.
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