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Josh Young wrote:Shi San Shi is an old name of the art meaning 13 postures.
Gord has recently mentioned that taijiquan is a single posture, this is a good topic wroth explanation and elaboration.
I believe the concept here is the flow of taijiquan makes the motions and postures into a single thing, despite being formed from multiple aspects/energies.
I don't believe that the numbers attached to forms have any bearing on this.
Josh Young wrote:Gord has recently mentioned that taijiquan is a single posture,
wpgtaiji wrote:I didnt recently say this!
wpgtaiji wrote:You are finding it difficult because you still think taiji is 24 postures. It is one.
wpgtaiji wrote:Josh, there is a very good reason that few people get any negative affects! Most people who take up tai chi are sedentary. ANY form of movement improves their lives significantly! It has NOTHING to do with tai chi! That said, because they are taught INCORRECT tai chi, they never get any good at it. Taiji is pretty close to useless when you don't do it correctly. So we have thousands of people claiming to do tai chi, but are doing something else, with zero understanding. (if you are in that category, I am sorry. M works with you, so I doubt it, but who knows! Some people are stubborn!)
Josh, we all know that you are a closet WTBA member! Just come out of the closet! Embrace the "Dark side"! Let go of your hate! btw, Erle talked nice to EVERYONE! He liked EVERYONE! That gave him the freedom to not give a rat's bottom about what they thought or said about him. I know the meridian activation is hard to swallow. There are many forms of taiji out there, and few, if any of them talk about it. They all prefer to teach 24 form and such. Go figure! I was talking with a friend of mine who studied Yang taiji for 10 years here at a local school. In 5 minutes he learned infinitely more from me than he had in the entire 10 years. I joked with him that I should start an ad campaign "Tai chi: When you want to start at the top!" The basics we teach are more advanced than the end product of most of the Yang tai chi out there. LOL
pete5770 wrote: I'm just curious "wpg..". Do you have any thoughts about Tai Chi that are your own as opposed to just repeating everything this "Erle" person ever said? Remember he was most likely a human being and not a GOD and that makes him fallible too. Just like the rest of us, you, me, us, them.
wpgtaiji wrote:pete5770 wrote: I'm just curious "wpg..". Do you have any thoughts about Tai Chi that are your own as opposed to just repeating everything this "Erle" person ever said? Remember he was most likely a human being and not a GOD and that makes him fallible too. Just like the rest of us, you, me, us, them.
Tons pete. You just aren't ready for them since you dont have basics nor a fundamental understanding of anything that is taiji.
pete5770 wrote:wpgtaiji wrote:pete5770 wrote: I'm just curious "wpg..". Do you have any thoughts about Tai Chi that are your own as opposed to just repeating everything this "Erle" person ever said? Remember he was most likely a human being and not a GOD and that makes him fallible too. Just like the rest of us, you, me, us, them.
Tons pete. You just aren't ready for them since you dont have basics nor a fundamental understanding of anything that is taiji.
Well, let's have them then. I can find Erle's take on things on the web if I so desire. What I'm interested in is opinions about Tai Chi for people who are working and struggling with it today.
To be honest it's amazing what you can glean from this kind of input. As I've said before, it's not all good or great or even passable advise or thoughts but there are bits of gold to be had from everyone.
adamfuray wrote:and all this time I was learning Taiji for combat training! What the hell was I thinking? All this talk of meridians and health is seriously making me question my perspective on Taiji. (sarcasm off) How can any Taiji thread go this long without ever mentioning applications, dan tien rotation, rooting, striking, throwing, kicking, joint locks, stepping, leaping, grappling, standing meditation, FORMS WITH MULTIPLE INDEPENDENT POSTURES, etc etc etc. The aforementioned are martial art techniques. If you aren't learning to fight, you aren't learning TaijiQUAN. And further more, be severely skeptical of any "martial art" developed after guns were made available to the general population.
wpgtaiji wrote:pete, i have no interest in supplying you with "free" training. You have had 40 years to flounder and learn nothing. please just stop and move on. Thanks mate.
adamfuray wrote:I.. I trained with members of the Chen family and their disciples for years, and If you want to call what Earle teaches "Taiji", then you need to encourage the Chen family to stop calling what they do "Taiji" because they are not even close.
wpgtaiji wrote:I worked with a chen stylist (Ma hung tradition or something like that), and he had all these grand ideas on "taiji"... when I asked him to apply them to me, he was dumbfounded that they didnt work.
wpgtaiji wrote:I have also chatted with a fellow who studies Chen as well as WTBA. He told me that they two arts are designed in two very different ways. Chen is based on grappling and close quarter stuff(he told me this, so if it isnt true, that isnt my words), while WTBA is about striking and such. This leads to a very confusing state if you look at one with the ideas of the other.
wpgtaiji wrote:It is funny though, that you came to the same conclusion as most of the other taiji masters (chen not being taiji). Maybe you shouldnt post that though (seeing that you have trained with the family).
adamfuray wrote:How can any Taiji thread go this long without ever mentioning applications, dan tien rotation, rooting, striking, throwing, kicking, joint locks, stepping, leaping, grappling, standing meditation, FORMS WITH MULTIPLE INDEPENDENT POSTURES, etc etc etc. The aforementioned are martial art techniques.
Dvivid wrote:If you train the martial side, but are skeptical about Qi and Meridians, then, there is a problem. Taijiquan was initially developed BASED UPON deep knowledge of Qi and Meridians. You cannot remove them from your taijiquan and still call it by the same name, and be taken seriously.
INTESTINAL
Wave Hands Like Clouds. Repeat as many times as you like. But usually ten X four steps.
WEIGHT LOSS
From the Old Yang Style, use Fist Under Elbow. This should only be form the Yang Lu-ch'anstyle of Taijiquan and not from the yang Cheng-fu system! As many times as you like. Also use Lotus Kick.
WEIGHT GAIN
Use Fist Under Elbow from Yang Cheng-Fu Form and hold as qigong for five minutes each side.
Dvivid wrote:We accept all forms of Tai Chi here.
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