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JeffK wrote:I'm doing the 8 Pieces of Brocade and on the fourth piece it says to use your Yi to lead the Qi from the Lower Dan Tian to the Bubbling Well and Huiyin Cavity when you exhale and turn your head to either side, and then lead the Qi back to the Lower Dan Tian as you inhale and return your head to the front. Am I just suppose to focus on those points? For example, when I turn my head to the side and exhale do I put my attention on the Bubbling Well points and Huiyin Cavity and as I turn my head back to the center do I return my attenion back to the Dan Tian?
As an example there are many adherents to various qigong (chi gong /chee gong/ chi king, etc) out there and they follow cult like patterns of teaching that actually diminish xin and can cause psychological manifestations of diseases.
Look for kindness and compassionate teaching that allows for you to grow and think for yourself!
JeffK wrote:I'm doing the 8 Pieces of Brocade and on the fourth piece it says to use your Yi to lead the Qi from the Lower Dan Tian to the Bubbling Well and Huiyin Cavity when you exhale and turn your head to either side, and then lead the Qi back to the Lower Dan Tian as you inhale and return your head to the front. Am I just suppose to focus on those points? For example, when I turn my head to the side and exhale do I put my attention on the Bubbling Well points and Huiyin Cavity and as I turn my head back to the center do I return my attenion back to the Dan Tian?
1. We all possess qi
2. No need to "raise' or 'lower' qi
3. We can 'better' out 'quality' of qi through right choice, right action and right mind
4. Union of #3 is xin i,e, 'mind' and 'heart'. WIth xin, we are most of the way "there'
pete5770 wrote:I'll play the devils advocate on this one and suggest that you ask whomever is teaching you this thing called Chi to actually demonstrate it to you in a meaningfull way and one in which YOU actually believe it. I have never seen anyone demonstrate anything that I would call Chi. I've seen 100's of people do 100's of Chi excercises but not a single demonstration of anything useful
other than some excercise value. Sort of begs the question of not "How do I...." but "Where and what is this thing they call Chi?". As an example, I once was complaining of a sore back at Tai Chi class. One of the students who claimed to "know" Qigong came up to me and said "Let me help". He then proceced to rub his palms together briskly and press them to my back. They were warm, of course, and it did feel OK but when he said "There, nothing like a little Chi to help ease the pain", well, I know what I thought but won't repeat it here.
yeniseri wrote:I know some of my teachers did use the word but based on practice, one's "intention" is the seed that allows qi to be 'purified' or 'degraded' based on the outward behavioural externalization of thought, wood, and deed...
Leading qi is a trap (my own view) while saying the content/intent of thought, word and deed does lead qi!
Brian wrote:pete5770 wrote:I'll play the devils advocate on this one and suggest that you ask whomever is teaching you this thing called Chi to actually demonstrate it to you in a meaningfull way and one in which YOU actually believe it. I have never seen anyone demonstrate anything that I would call Chi. I've seen 100's of people do 100's of Chi excercises but not a single demonstration of anything useful
other than some excercise value. Sort of begs the question of not "How do I...." but "Where and what is this thing they call Chi?". As an example, I once was complaining of a sore back at Tai Chi class. One of the students who claimed to "know" Qigong came up to me and said "Let me help". He then proceced to rub his palms together briskly and press them to my back. They were warm, of course, and it did feel OK but when he said "There, nothing like a little Chi to help ease the pain", well, I know what I thought but won't repeat it here.
You have to think outside of the box when it comes to energy, in any of its forms, heat, light, magnetic, etc....and even more so when you encounter a form of energy that we (scientifically) cannot quite grasp just yet.
So don't just dismiss something on the grounds that it hasn't yet been satisfactorily explained or demonstrated to you....if we all did this we would never have some of the great inventions/technology that we have today....they would have been lost to likes of your way of thinking.
pete5770 wrote: Show me the reality of it, the real world application,
However if you can produce a ghost or any of the above and I feel that it is authentic, well, then you MAY have a believer.
Josh Young wrote:pete5770 wrote: Show me the reality of it, the real world application,
However if you can produce a ghost or any of the above and I feel that it is authentic, well, then you MAY have a believer.
This is highly irrational.
You are not searching for proof or evidence at all, almost everything you say is dismissive.
pete5770 wrote: I don't "dismiss" anything. I simply ask the people who make these claims to prove it to me.
Actually I'm sort of a believer in that old saying "anythings possible" but I refuse to believe anything on someones say so. Show me the reality of it, the real world application, it's usefullness to man. In other words, do something with it that people can see and feel. not empty promises. I don't believe in Chi any more than I believe in witchcraft, ghosts, zombies, aliens, turning lead into gold, magic, wizards, ESP, the list goes on and on. However if you can produce a ghost or any of the above and I feel that it is authentic, well, then you MAY have a believer.
Brian wrote:pete5770 wrote: I don't "dismiss" anything. I simply ask the people who make these claims to prove it to me.
Actually I'm sort of a believer in that old saying "anythings possible" but I refuse to believe anything on someones say so. Show me the reality of it, the real world application, it's usefullness to man. In other words, do something with it that people can see and feel. not empty promises. I don't believe in Chi any more than I believe in witchcraft, ghosts, zombies, aliens, turning lead into gold, magic, wizards, ESP, the list goes on and on. However if you can produce a ghost or any of the above and I feel that it is authentic, well, then you MAY have a believer.
Transmutation of lead into gold isn't just theoretically possible - it has been achieved! Glenn Seaborg, 1951 Nobel Laureate in Chemistry, succeeded in transmuting a minute quantity of lead (possibly en route from bismuth, in 1980) into gold. There is an earlier report (1972) in which Soviet physicists at a nuclear research facility near Lake Baikal in Siberia accidentally discovered a reaction for turning lead into gold when they found the lead shielding of an experimental reactor had changed to gold.
Today particle accelerators routinely transmute elements. A charged particle is accelerated using electrical and/or magnetic fields. In a linear accelerator, the charged particles drift through a series of charged tubes separated by gaps. Every time the particle emerges between gaps, it is accelerated by the potential difference between adjacent segments. In a circular accelerator, magnetic fields accelerate particles moving in circular paths. In either case, the accelerated particle impacts a target material, potentially knocking free protons or neutrons and making a new element or isotope. Nuclear reactors also may used for creating elements, although the conditions are less controlled.
Somehow I feel though your closed mind still will not accept even this.....you must have a very difficult life....I feel for you...so the next time I attend the Witch's coven with my ghost, zombie and alien friends we will all do some magic and via ESP....heal you!!
pete5770 wrote: Good luck with building your particle accelerator / reactor.
And c'mon now, let's be truthful, you don't "feel" for me, you dislike me because I challenge your beliefs. There is one person on this forum who disagrees with your thinking and for some reason that really disturbs you. Now that's what I call a closed mind. Is it possible that there is nothing there yet you have convinced yourself otherwise? That's the real question.
Brian wrote:pete5770 wrote: Good luck with building your particle accelerator / reactor.
And c'mon now, let's be truthful, you don't "feel" for me, you dislike me because I challenge your beliefs. There is one person on this forum who disagrees with your thinking and for some reason that really disturbs you. Now that's what I call a closed mind. Is it possible that there is nothing there yet you have convinced yourself otherwise? That's the real question.
My mind is completely open...as I have not actually stated that you are wrong in your thinking...but have merely pointed out that YOU should be more opened minded.
Neither am I disturbed by what you say....your comments do not make me insecure or uneasy in any way.
I am curious though as to what, if any, martial arts experience you have...how long have you been studying...with whom....and...if you are, why do you study MA??
pete5770 wrote:How about this? Let's both agree that we have open minds because it's obvious that we don't agree on some things. Or lets both agree to having closed minds. Either way it doesn't matter as we are who we are.
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I don't see a problem with having an open mind to all things, however acceptance without question and proof is what P.T Barnum was taking about when he said " There is a sucker born every minute". He was a master, of sorts, of "Hoax's"
Brian wrote:pete5770 wrote:How about this? Let's both agree that we have open minds because it's obvious that we don't agree on some things. Or lets both agree to having closed minds. Either way it doesn't matter as we are who we are.
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I don't see a problem with having an open mind to all things, however acceptance without question and proof is what P.T Barnum was taking about when he said " There is a sucker born every minute". He was a master, of sorts, of "Hoax's"
The obvious answer here is to 'agree that we disagree'.
And of course acceptance without question is the mind set that leads to a 'sheep mentality' ie, blindly following without question.
Also...you never answered my question in relation to your martial arts training, if any. Why was that, I wonder?
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