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Postby Patterson » Thu May 10, 2007 2:52 pm

Hi guys, I'm a bit new to this forum but i have a urgent question for all the knowledgable qigong practitioners on here; does your jing energy permenently decrease after ejaculating? If so, then because I have been ejaculating several times a day for the last five years in my life, have I ruined my chances to become a proficient internal martial artist?
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Postby joeblast » Fri May 11, 2007 11:38 am

Do you think you have damaged the function of anything? If you think logically about the function of everything, than as long as you havent overused anything to the point of damage, it should be able to return to (relatively) normal function with proper action. If you think you have impaired function, well...you really need to stop wasting your energy! Most people have no idea the amount of bodily energy the production consumes. Perhaps pick up a copy of Mantak Chia's taoist secrets of love - cultivating male sexual energy. Read through it, understand the function and the theories, and practice with care - if you're already overstressed then you dont want to exercise too vigorously; you could do more damage to yourself. It is a good book, but as always the trouble with learning things like that by book and not by master is that you are the one that has to decipher, assimilate and stay practiced without the proper guidance and feedback mechanism you get with a master. (logical deduction...I've never learned from a master nor claim any authority...) Just keep in mind that there's a wide range of exercises in there and if you have some damage you might not want to do everything in there. Just the very basics would be good for helping restore normal function.

Only you understand yourself, so exercise properly without going too far and hurting yourself. In regards to whether it has ruined your chances at becoming a proficient internal ma, it is really an individual situation. It can/will limit your potential, but that doesnt mean it cant be fixed.

Hope that helps!
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Postby darth_freak » Fri May 11, 2007 5:03 pm

you can still be a good internalist since it doesn't only depends on your qi but also on your body structure. How relaxed your muscles are, how strong your tendons and ligaments get, the bones alignement etc.
For instance, opening the mingmen is not only a matter of qi. It's also getting more flexible in that area so that the qi can circulate more easily...
Don't get upset... unless you're 45 years old or up :roll:
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Postby Patterson » Sat May 12, 2007 10:32 am

Hi and thank you joeblast and darth_freak for your replies.
I am in my teens and some of my problems I think that are related to
masturbation are; back pain, weakness in legs, lack of energy and concentration and depression. I think that I'll read mantak chias book that joeblast has reccomended. Does anyone know any ways or have any ideas about how to replace lost jing?
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Postby joeblast » Sat May 12, 2007 1:07 pm

just practice qigong properly, your body will level itself out. esp if you're in your teens. get Dr Yang's Root of Qigong book if you do not already have it, its a must have.
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Postby Patterson » Sat May 12, 2007 2:42 pm

Thanks for your reply, thats another book on my list! But could you please explain how the body balances out, i was not aware that you could replace/balance your jing and it would reasure me if you could explain the theory.
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Postby darth_freak » Sun May 13, 2007 4:45 pm

you cannot "replace" your lost jing. But you're supposed to have plenty of it. Just regulate your sex life, especially if you don't have a girlfriend, because the body will take care of the too high amount of semen...though it's rather a pain in the bottom (so to speak).
After you practice your qigong, try to massage your dan tian till it feels warm, especially if you practice on the evening. From then you can either stop here or do some embryonic breathing, ie lead the qi into the real lower dan tian.

About the back pain, I don't know what to do against it. I wonder if it has something to do with the kidneys. Weak legs and concentration problems: try to grab some sugar, chocolate, bread...nice and good food to raise from your slumber. (I phrased that kinda weirdly, didn't I?).
There's a lot of things in semen, so when you release it, you lose quite a lot and you may need something to recover, to wake your body up.
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Postby SunTzu » Mon May 14, 2007 11:06 am

Patterson, what is your age if I may ask ?

Because it could be that you're "just" experiencing growing pains, that's very common in puberty. Go to your doctor if you want to be sure. And keep up practicing your Qigong exercises.
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Postby darth_freak » Mon May 14, 2007 2:03 pm

back pain caused by growth? :? I'm a bit skeptical.
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Postby joeblast » Mon May 14, 2007 7:32 pm

patterson, how flexible are you?
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Postby Patterson » Tue May 15, 2007 2:02 pm

Hi and thanks everybody for your responses and advice.

SunTzu it is possible that all my problems are growth related. It is possible that my back pain is caused by my bad posture (I am tall, my friends are short). However, I am more concerned about future problems that might/will arise from my loss/lack of jing.

joeblast I can just about do back bridges, I am about 45 degrees off a side or front split, I can touch my head to my knees whilst bending over my legs. I hope that egocentric statment helps?

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Postby joeblast » Wed May 16, 2007 9:14 am

It doesnt sound like you have any serious flexibility issues. Make sure you keep a good regimen that includes stretching. I have a bad back and I need to keep my hamstrings stretched, usually do it like 3 times a day otherwise I feel like I'm getting rigor mortis!

Can you describe your back pain? Small or large area? Exact location(s)? Dull or sharp? How often? Any certain time of day? (could it be from an injury, no matter how old? even though you're still a teenager, doesnt mean you cant have injured yourself...multiple times, even!)

Posture can definitely cause back pain. Do you sit in front of a computer a lot or watch a lot of tv? If so, perhaps take a look at the chair you are sitting in. If you can remove the arms to the chair, do it, you dont need to be leaning on them. Make sure the lumbosacral area is straight when you sit, and lift your head off of your spine slightly - it takes a LOT of weight off of your spine.

Abdominal breathing has definitely helped my back feel better, too.

I can see the back pain being related to growth if sufficient jing is being wasted when it should be spent for growing - I'm sure quality of ligaments, tendons, and bone could suffer, esp if there is an imbalance of resources that one tissue uses more than another. For instance if bones werent affected as much as tendons & ligaments, the bones could grow normally while the ligaments are stunted to some extent - that could/would be painful.

I think your biggest priority is to stop wasting jing. Combined with a good exercise/MA/qigong regimen, you should be able to bring your energy levels back up (that will help your mental state too) and restore your back to a healthy state.
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Postby Patterson » Wed May 16, 2007 1:34 pm

Thanks joeblast, your advice is helpfull & positve. Some more questions though (sorry everbody :D):

1) are the words sexual energy and jing/ching interchangable? in Mantak Chia's book it is unclear whether they are the same.

2) If they do mean the same then it is possible to replenish your jing from the sun(yang) and also the ground(yin), right? and

3) Isn't taking yin energy from the ground if you are a homosexual, the same as the 'bad' taoists deflowering virgin women and stealing thier yin sexual energy? and

4) which should have been included in 3), is that in Chia's book he talks also about healing your weakened energy by acupuncture moxibustion and diet- are these also jing replacement therapys?

:shock:

Thanks in advance,
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Postby Patterson » Wed May 16, 2007 5:06 pm

Also, does sexual energy contain sexual essence, what is the relationship between them?

A female absorbs some of your jing after penetrative sex,
what about aural sex?

So..........many.......questions.,...so.......little.....time!
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Postby darth_freak » Thu May 17, 2007 6:28 am

oral sex's different.

you can't get your prenatal jing back. once it's gone, it's gone. But you're supposed to have far more than you need. If you plan to become an immortal soul just don't waste any of it and you might have a chance. Otherwise just be careful.

The jing you lose through ejaculation is your prenatal jing, stored in the kidneys. There're 2 kinds of jing: prenatal and postnatal (this one comes from food and air)

your 3rd question is weird...you think homosexuals abuse the earth qi? :?

Follow Joeblast advice: proper qigong etc. If you lack a bit of qi, your body may take from your reserve. If you have a good qi circulation with a nice qi level, some of your problems should vanish. Some people who have a good qigong level still have sex and without much drawbacks from it. You lose some qi and jing but overall you can still be a proficent practionner.
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Postby joeblast » Thu May 17, 2007 11:20 am

from what I understand...
-sexual energy roughly correlates to jing qi, not necessarily the jing itself - but jing qi isnt necessarily limited to 'sexual energy.' (kinda like all humans are mammals, but not all mammals are humans.)
-Chia does talk about using qi from elsewhere, i.e. heaven & earth qi - but that doesnt equate to jing qi. from what I've read it is more absorbing the qi and combining with your own, pretty much for kan & li balancing (qi absorption this way probably isnt super efficient and unless you are sufficiently practiced and sensitive, you probably wont feel subtly enough to make use of the practice and will get more benefit from other practices appropriate for your level of experience. proper practice necessitates doing the right practice with the right focus at the right time in your training, depending where you are in your training and what your goals are.)
-3...that doesnt equate. borrowing qi from the earth is not the same as using a person to balance your own qi with no reciprocity.
-4...no, that's for balancing your qi...I'm not sure what its called - a method of kan & li?
-energy and essence are two different things.
-a woman will absorb little unless she knows techniques to make it more efficient. I guess oral is still technically absorbing qi, only its an entirely different mechanism than penetrative sex - therefore I would surmise that the absorption is that much less efficient due to the process of it being digested as opposed to being absorbed somewhere in the sexual organs.

Get the Root of Qigong book, it will shed a lot of light on these basics for you. 8)


Darth...from how I understand everything (eastern, western, everything..) you only really 'lose' prenatal jing when all parts & functions arent functioning within normal operating parameters (i.e. driven down to sub-standard.) Provided you dont waste enough jing (sex, drugs, rock n roll, however... :D ) to whack out any pertinent parts, you should be allright. I can understand it from a point of view that if you do harm yourself, then that will necessarily reflect on the status of your jing. (trying to figure out how to put this properly...) My assumption is that as long as everything is in good working order, you should be fine. So in that regard, would prenatal jing ostensibly include your body's capacity to replace what has been lost? (So if you are in good working order then your body should be able to replenish itself, but if you drain to such a level that your capacity to replace has been affected, is that more what's being referred to when prenatal jing is spoken of?)
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Postby Patterson » Thu May 17, 2007 1:05 pm

Darthfreak you misinterpreted what i was saying. I was merely questioning why drawing in yin energy was to be considered only for homosexuals in Chia's book when taoists in the past have stolen from women (which i assume was yin energy or essence).

joeblast, what can you do with sexual energy drawn in from the sun, can it be conparable to sexual jing if you can nourish the shen with it?
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Postby joeblast » Thu May 17, 2007 3:06 pm

Not sure where you got the drawing in yin energy & homosexual bit, that doesnt make sense. There are methods of cultivating yin qi, but they're for pretty much any practitioner (again, appropriateness in training to be considered.) Which book did you get that from?

I didnt say anything about sexual energy from the sun! :D Its just basically drawing in Yang/heaven qi. As I understand, Shen can be nourished by whatever qi, its just that some forms of qi are more readily assimilated than others - for instance, you're not going to absorb a heck of a lot of qi from the sun before getting burned; alternately, you'll absorb a lot more qi from breathing or eating. But its not the same 'type' of qi.

It seems like you're firing a lot of questions from the hip (no pun intended!) - I think you could benefit a lot from doing some reading. Some of the questions you're asking are a little esoteric; a more thorough understanding of the basics would answer a lot of them for you. Not that I mind answering questions, as a lot of times it bring up new questions & answers that deepen my understanding as well. I'm no master by any means! (so for anyone else reading, if I'm off on anything, call me on it!)
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Postby Patterson » Fri May 18, 2007 11:24 am

Hi,
the sun and the earth drawing techniques were ones I have read about in
"Cultivating male sexual energy" by Chia. I am sorry for all the questions, they just keep coming! (no pun intended). Does anyone think they know the western equivilent of jing: growth hormone, testosterone, DNA etc.
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Postby joeblast » Fri May 18, 2007 1:58 pm

I'm reading that book right now but I havent seen any sun & earth drawing - at least not from a sexual organ perspective, just the big draw. I'm halfway through it - how much have you covered in the small amount of time you've had it? I'll finish and ponder before I begin practicing anything in there. If you have a chapter or some frame of reference I'll look at it.
As I understand, drawing heaven & earth qi are more energizing the breath.
Keep in mind that not all Chinese terms will translate congruently to English. Jing is essence, and while lots of bodily secretions can be considered jing, there is no singular bit that one can isolate and say 'ah, here is da jing!'
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