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caesar wrote:I am no expert...but don't you think that whether you're doing yang or wu/hao or chen etc you should train the applications with other practitioners and through that notice how you naturally change your tai chi to smaller?
Tung Ying Chieh studied first the Wu/Hao style ("the smaller style") and then went to learn Yang Cheng Fu's form.
pete wrote:
I believe Tai Chi could evolve to this barely moving ideal.
brer_momonga wrote:pete wrote:
I believe Tai Chi could evolve to this barely moving ideal.
You mean to... standing Qi Gong???
wpgtaiji wrote:brer_momonga wrote:pete wrote:
I believe Tai Chi could evolve to this barely moving ideal.
You mean to... standing Qi Gong???
Oh dren.. you just used about 20 words that pete doesnt like... if taiji evolves to non-movement, then what do we have? Brer, you are correct! pete, you are correct! But what will happen if one doesnt believe in qigong or qi... ? I guess someone has wasted a lot of time!
adamfuray wrote:.............. If your goal is to move 1000 lbs with 4 oz, then maybe less is more. If your goal is to become a competent fighter, or physically well, then they are missing some serious components.
pete5770 wrote:I've mentioned this before but does anyone have any opinions on whether Wu(hao) style is
the way in which Tai Chi in general is moving and progressing? Toward smaller, more precise, movements? Almost as if less is becoming more? The movements get smaller yet stil retain all the "energy", if you will. I mention progression because all things tend to progress toward some unknown called perfection or at the very least toward accomplishing to same thing easier and with less effort. Now I don't really have that good a handle on Wu(hao) although my last instructor, others in his class, and myself did work on it a bit, but his main focus was Yang long form. Still it would seem that Wu(hao), being one of the newer styles, is that step foward in the art of Tai Chi. The wave of the future, for lack of better words. Of course it's only where it's at because Wu Yu-Xiang stands on Chen and Yangs shoulders.
adamfuray wrote:I always felt that styles other than Chen were modified fractions of the original. If your goal is to move 1000 lbs with 4 oz, then maybe less is more. If your goal is to become a competent fighter, or physically well, then they are missing some serious components.
yeniseri wrote:pete5770 wrote:I've mentioned this before but does anyone have any opinions on whether Wu(hao) style is
the way in which Tai Chi in general is moving and progressing? Toward smaller, more precise, movements? Almost as if less is becoming more? The movements get smaller yet stil retain all the "energy", if you will. I mention progression because all things tend to progress toward some unknown called perfection or at the very least toward accomplishing to same thing easier and with less effort. Now I don't really have that good a handle on Wu(hao) although my last instructor, others in his class, and myself did work on it a bit, but his main focus was Yang long form. Still it would seem that Wu(hao), being one of the newer styles, is that step foward in the art of Tai Chi. The wave of the future, for lack of better words. Of course it's only where it's at because Wu Yu-Xiang stands on Chen and Yangs shoulders.
I do not believe Wu2, Wu3, Yang, etc stands on Chens' shoulders since they have come into their own, with their own idiosyncracies. Doing smaller, precise, movements just to do it without any reference makes no sense but I do believe firmly that body size does influence the type of taijiquan practiced. I could not see Yang Chengfu doing taijiquan within a Sun framework though in some 'older' Yang style, I do see people using the Sun (from Wu/Hao) framework in stepping and movement usage. Actually East Mountain, a new synthesized taiji, of Men Huifeng is a good example!
adamfuray wrote:outside observation only. I have never practiced anything other than the Chen style old frame, so I probably overstepped my bounds with that comment. BUT....I have seen the majority of the popular forms executed in real life, and It looked like a lot of footwork, leaping, stomps etc. were absent from Yang 108, Wu, and Sun. Not to mention everything was slow! (fajin should always be fast). Tailbones weren't tucked, 98%+ of the postures were executed standing almost completely upright etc. I saw a form that the instructor called "lee's modified Yang style", and felt the same. Never heard of it before or after that meeting though.
adamfuray wrote:outside observation only. I have never practiced anything other than the Chen style old frame, so I probably overstepped my bounds with that comment. BUT....I have seen the majority of the popular forms executed in real life, and It looked like a lot of footwork, leaping, stomps etc. were absent from Yang 108, Wu, and Sun. Not to mention everything was slow! (fajin should always be fast). Tailbones weren't tucked, 98%+ of the postures were executed standing almost completely upright etc. I saw a form that the instructor called "lee's modified Yang style", and felt the same. Never heard of it before or after that meeting though.
wpgtaiji wrote: aslo believe that a man named Chiang Fa came to the village at the same time as luchan. He was an old "wudang" master. I believe that luchan, recognizing Chen as a family art, left with Chiang Fa, as he realized that there was more to it than in Chen (yes, I got that from Erle! It works with the rest of the art).
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