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wpgtaiji wrote:
Let me be perfectly clear, after 40 years, you are NOT doing tai chi. Not even in the neighborhood.
Just understand that you have been lied to, that what you know is dancing, not tai chi and move on with your life.
btw, people who say they feel qi after 3 lessons are full of it as well (for the most part).
John the Monkey mind wrote:I think what you are missing is the internal feel. When doing the rotation or exansion you can feel as though your body is full of some dense liquid under presser and that straitening out is the only way the presser can escape.
This leads to a full body connection wile staying soft and relaxed. Coordination of the breathing can also engage the three diaphragms into this adding to the pressure as the spine is pulled striate from the pelvic floor up. This really improves power but is hard to get right in motion. Traditional training leads to this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2Qvo_BUmNU
This is not fake I have experiences of the same first hand from a Xing Yi instructor.
pete5770 wrote:John the Monkey mind wrote:I think what you are missing is the internal feel. When doing the rotation or exansion you can feel as though your body is full of some dense liquid under presser and that straitening out is the only way the presser can escape.
This leads to a full body connection wile staying soft and relaxed. Coordination of the breathing can also engage the three diaphragms into this adding to the pressure as the spine is pulled striate from the pelvic floor up. This really improves power but is hard to get right in motion. Traditional training leads to this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2Qvo_BUmNU
This is not fake I have experiences of the same first hand from a Xing Yi instructor.
I'm not doubting that it's real. I have had the same thing done to me(more or less). The difference between you and I is that I chalk it up to simple Physics and an excellent mastery
of sensivtivity, to his opponent, and timing on the pushers part.
John the Monkey mind wrote:pete5770 wrote:John the Monkey mind wrote:I think what you are missing is the internal feel. When doing the rotation or exansion you can feel as though your body is full of some dense liquid under presser and that straitening out is the only way the presser can escape.
This leads to a full body connection wile staying soft and relaxed. Coordination of the breathing can also engage the three diaphragms into this adding to the pressure as the spine is pulled striate from the pelvic floor up. This really improves power but is hard to get right in motion. Traditional training leads to this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2Qvo_BUmNU
This is not fake I have experiences of the same first hand from a Xing Yi instructor.
I'm not doubting that it's real. I have had the same thing done to me(more or less). The difference between you and I is that I chalk it up to simple Physics and an excellent mastery
of sensivtivity, to his opponent, and timing on the pushers part.
Your missing the point, its traditional internal practices that let you develop this ability. Physics it may be but you still need to do the training to get there you cant just get there through doing a bit of pushing hands and running through the movements of the form. You also need the internal body movement within the still posture and that is only achieved by internal practice and breathing.
pete5770 wrote:
I'll go along with you on your statement that "Physics it may be.... do the training...". Push hands is how you develop this "sense". To me it's still just a boatload of training, Physics, technique, and learning sensitivity to opponents. I have never made more of it than that. Call me a failure if you will but I don't feel that way. To me, my Tai Chi is progressing along just fine and any improvement that comes along will be the result of more training and better sensitivity.
You may call it Chi if you wish. I call it practice.
wpgtaiji wrote:pete5770 wrote:
I'll go along with you on your statement that "Physics it may be.... do the training...". Push hands is how you develop this "sense". To me it's still just a boatload of training, Physics, technique, and learning sensitivity to opponents. I have never made more of it than that. Call me a failure if you will but I don't feel that way. To me, my Tai Chi is progressing along just fine and any improvement that comes along will be the result of more training and better sensitivity.
You may call it Chi if you wish. I call it practice.
2000 years ago, the chinese doctors had to put a name to that same stuff (today, professionals are calling it bioelectricity), so they used the word Qi. Practice is a physical activity. Qi is an energy.
Prove me wrong. Put up a video of your dance.
wpgtaiji wrote:pete, it wouldnt matter. I have a very good idea what it looks like (and it isnt even close). Dont waste your time or your nephews.
as to your "prove it", mate i have already sent video clips to the boss.
wpgtaiji wrote: You are naive if you think that I have been "harsh" to you up to now. I am trying to put realism into your head.
Brian wrote:Found this, publically available on YouTube...(could it be 'you know who'??)
http://www.youtube.com/user/wpgtaiji
Brian wrote:Found this, publically available on YouTube...(could it be 'you know who'??)
http://www.youtube.com/user/wpgtaiji
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