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Dvivid wrote:Hello, welcome. I am happy to meet you.
Of course, everyone will first say go to your Doctor! Assuming you have done so...
1. Stop ejaculating. Sorry to be so abrupt, but its the plain truth. You need those hormones, so you must abstain to recuperate.
2. The Yi leads the Qi. Your intention leads your energy. So, your mind needs to be stronger first, in order to generate a stronger flow of energy. Mind over matter. Be positive. Decide you are feeling healthy, now in the present. And once you have a habit of that positive reinforcement, focus more on feeling it than thinking.
3. "Thinking" is the conscious monkey mind. "Feeling" is the subconscious wisdom mind. Relax as deeply as you can, and it can result in a healthy brainwave shift that improves your body chemistry. (learn about "The Biology of Belief", epigenetics and psychoneuroimmunology, for a Western medical view of the same physiological process)
4. Focus on what makes you happy, and meditate on that. Spirit/Shen relates to your morale. Your spirit is the general, the four gates in the hands and feet are castles, and your Qi are the soldiers. The higher your spirit, the more motivated your circulation is.
5. You are what you eat. A lot of commonly available food is now toxic. You need higher quality energy from your food and water. that means food in its most natural state, full of energy from the sun. Organically-grown, no additives of any kind. Nature knows best. We are seriously out of whack nowadays.
The above needs to be addressed before any elixir of vitality can be a possibility.
Chronic Fatigue is a very real epidemic right now, and we need to expend more effort in modern times to improve our health and vitality. Qigong is the perfect way to do so, in conjunction with healthy diet and other important exercise, like WALKING. It is crucial to walk at least 30 minutes a day.
When you feel tired, it can seem ridiculous to try and 'strengthen from within', but that is what really helps. Im suggesting a comfortable mix of mental exercises, a walking regimen, and a little more qigong practice.
What do you eat?
Health habits?
How is your mind?
shinobi wrote:Hello.
For years I suffer from deep chronic mental fatigue.
Two months ago I started doing 8 section brocade + 15 minutes of zhan-zhuang EVERY morning AND evening. I DONT FEEL ANY IMPROVEMENTS. All I feel is that
I'm just a little bit more relaxed. But thats not what I need. I need to be mentally active and focused.
Instead I feel like a walking zombie (as I was before just more relaxed) I have no medical problems, checked everything.
Maybe the routine I choosed is not appropriate for my problem. Maybe I need something more intense plus maybe I also need internal elixir (but I am just a newbie).
I thought of changing my routine to the following:
Morning:
Small circulation meditation
Full Yi Jin Jing
Evening:
Some intense art (hung gar OR xing yi OR white crane ...etc)
This chronic fatigue become unbearable. Please advice me how to build my daily routine.
Thank you.
wpgtaiji wrote:I am not a doctor, but as I understand it, chronic fatigue is a yin deficiency, so the sex part is important. What I am wondering is if you are draining the good you are doing in the morning qigong with the "intense" stuff at night?
In his book, 12 Most deadly kata, Erle talks about a qigong that works on chronic fatigue syndrome, and it balances the Lung qi. It is very similar to the beginning movements of a good Yang style taiji form. It is only one of 12 methods, which should be done together to make sure the qi in ALL the meridians are balanced.
How are you doing the small circle meditation? Its just one area I wonder about because, if you are not doing it correctly, or are not ready for it internally, it could be a reason.
sengtsan wrote:Hi shinobi,
I have had good results overcoming fatigue with zhan zhuang in only 3 weeks of practice. But I think you should really follow carefully the steps given by Lam Kam Chuen since you have his book. I mean standing in one single position until you reach 20mn before standing in a new one until your reach 20mn.
Linking up 5 different poses comes only after you have worked on each pose for a consistent amount of time. You will get very little benefit in you stand for 3mn in each pose because you don't have cleared your channels enough.
If you add YMAA baduanjin to this, you have a very good qigong routine to begin with. I find Dr Yang version superior to all versions I came across.
I would also go to an acupuncturist, and take care of my Liver energetic system since you are working a lot behing a computer and hence potentially weakening it by using a lot your eyes. Have you suffered from ocular fatigue before or computer related nervous symptoms?
Best
shinobi wrote:Hi.
You are correct about zhan zhuang. (I have just reread the chapter). The following session must be done for at least first half year:
1.WU-CHI (few minutes)
2.HOLD THE BALOON IN FRONT OF YOUR CHEST (progress to 20 minutes)
3.WU-CHI (few minutes)
shinobi wrote:........ I have no medical problems, checked everything.
pete5770 wrote:shinobi wrote:........ I have no medical problems, checked everything.
I would ask what you mean by "checked everything"?
Also, who "checked everything"?
shinobi wrote:
When I was at the chinese doctor, about 2-3 years ago, he told me that I have weak liver, or maybe "liver fire" or something like that (the doctor is native chinese doctor with a diploma from a Beijing university and large clinic with A LOT of patients). Anyway, his acupuncture 15-20 session did nothing to me. Waste of money and time.
I started this qigong journey to get rid of chronic fatigue once and for all. I will fix the energetics of my body by myself (With help of dr. Yang and with help of people on this forum )
wpgtaiji wrote:shinobi wrote:
When I was at the chinese doctor, about 2-3 years ago, he told me that I have weak liver, or maybe "liver fire" or something like that (the doctor is native chinese doctor with a diploma from a Beijing university and large clinic with A LOT of patients). Anyway, his acupuncture 15-20 session did nothing to me. Waste of money and time.
I started this qigong journey to get rid of chronic fatigue once and for all. I will fix the energetics of my body by myself (With help of dr. Yang and with help of people on this forum )
TCM is not a miracle cure-all. How do you know it did nothing? You went ONE time? Your energy has been out of balance for years (decades even), and ONE 30 minute session is supposed to put it back to normal for good? mate, your understanding of the process is off a bit.
...... But please, tell me, why dismiss a system that has been helping people for thousands of years because of one 30 minute session? It doesnt seem like you gave it a real go.
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Brian wrote:Small correction wpgtaiji....read his text carefully and you will see that he attended 15 to 20 SESSIONS with the TCM doctor...NOT 1 30min session!!
So he not 'just dismissing it'....it appears it genuinly didn't work for him...as it also doesn't work for many who try it.
That's all!!
shinobi wrote:pete5770 wrote:shinobi wrote:........ I have no medical problems, checked everything.
I would ask what you mean by "checked everything"?
Also, who "checked everything"?
Hi.
I started this qigong journey to get rid of chronic fatigue once and for all. I will fix the energetics of my body by myself (With help of dr. Yang and with help of people on this forum )
And how could it not work for him, yet it has worked for THOUSANDS of years? It does work!
wpgtaiji wrote:Brian wrote:Small correction wpgtaiji....read his text carefully and you will see that he attended 15 to 20 SESSIONS with the TCM doctor...NOT 1 30min session!!
So he not 'just dismissing it'....it appears it genuinly didn't work for him...as it also doesn't work for many who try it.
That's all!!
THANKS! LOL It really doesnt matter if he went 100000000 times. He doesnt accept that TCM works. That is a HUGE problem as qigong is TCM! So, while he is looking for "help", he could do any qigong he wanted to. IT wouldnt help him because deep down inside his soul, he wont let it work for him.
It is about paradigms mate. It is funny that Chernobyl is in the theatres (or coming soon). The people working in that facility KNEW that there was no way that there could be anything bad ever happen there. THEY KNEW IT! Many walked right through the highest radiation areas (and died horribly) because their paradigm wouldnt let them see the truth. Read Joel Barker's book on paradigms for the complete story (my book is in storage so i am giving just the jist of it).
and the poster is in REAL trouble! He doesnt want western medicine. He doesnt accept eastern. What's left? I hope that faith healer can help, cuz mate, that's all that's left!
sorry i wasnt clear before. This was my original point. I tend to get sidetracked trying to make things clear, which, my wife tells me, just confuses the issue.
And how could it not work for him, yet it has worked for THOUSANDS of years? It does work! It just may not be giving him the results he expected immediately! Remember, he has been out of balance for 20+ years, so his system must be reworked to work properly. Watch Holmes on Homes (sorry, i have been watching that recently). A "simple" kitchen reno takes a month or longer because of all the BS that went into it. The human system is no different. Years of poor eating, moving, thinking, etc caused the situation. 30 sessions of TCM may not be even the beginning if all of what caused the damage doesnt change. I will let that sink in. Most will miss that....
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