just saw episode 3

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just saw episode 3

Postby John Noonan » Mon May 23, 2005 9:05 am

and man is it rubbish...

they should show this movie to film and acting students as how not to write dialogue/act. After I saw the trailer I was really looking forward to it, and now I am utterly let down.

Unless you really have to see this trainwreck, wait until it comes to cable.
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Postby BaguaMonk » Mon May 23, 2005 2:55 pm

Yeah, well I saw it again after the first time just to make sure. And I saw how crappy it was the second time around, the first time it had me kind of on my toes, only because of what was actually happening in the movie. It was alright, better than the last two I say, but nowhere near classic.
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Postby Walter Wong » Tue May 24, 2005 8:11 am

I haven't seen it yet, but I don't have high expectations for when I will see it. Mostly I'm just looking foward to seeing lightsaber blades whirling around and to look at Natalie Portman.
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Postby John Noonan » Tue May 24, 2005 10:28 am

Unfortunately, even Natalie Portman was tainted by this film. I think they tried to make her look older (and in one early scene, she's downright ugly). Her lines may also be the worst in the movie.

But hey, the lightsaber fights are more interesting than in the past movies.
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Postby Walter Wong » Wed May 25, 2005 8:10 am

Lucas isn't a good director. He directed all Episodes 1-3. See what happened?

He also took role as director for New Hope Episode 4 back in the 70's. But it was mostly the actors that made that film work well and hardly the efforts of Lucas. All and mostly all Lucas kept saying to the actors was "Um...can you say that line faster?" Fortunately Mark Hamil, Harrison Ford and etc. were already well trained and experienced actors that they directed themselves.

Empire Strikes Back and Return Of The Jedi, Lucas hired a director. Good move.

Lucas is a good story teller. But not a good director.

Heard there was problems on the set of Episode 1 Phantom Menace. Liam Neeson (Qui Gon Jin) is a very good actor. Liam and Lucas kept bumping heads in terms of direction of what scenes should look like. It was difficult for Lucas to control Liam. Well, with the character Qui Gon dead, Lucas wouldn't have to worry bout his actors resisting his direction. Get a young actor like Christen Hayden who wouldn't talk back and look what happened. Christen Hayden was actually good in some other films. But his work in the Star Wars series really didn't make him shine thanks to the directing efforts of Lucas. Natalie Portman is a good actress as well, but it seems she really doesn't care about the Star Wars series so she wasn't giving her best and just follow whatever Lucas tells her to do.

Anyways, enough rambling from me.
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Postby Folschild » Wed May 25, 2005 5:23 pm

Lucas isn't a good director. He directed all Episodes 1-3. See what happened?


Whaaaaaaat? See what happened like he made billions of dollars?

But it was mostly the actors that made that film work well and hardly the efforts of Lucas


Do you just not like him? Hardly his efforts? Really? I mean he wrote and conceived the entire Star Wars universe. Not to mention he redefined the movie industry and created an indelible piece of American culture. I'd give him a little more credit than that.
I'll give you his character direction; definitely not his strongest talent. But, direction involves a lot more than just telling characters how to deliver a line. The visuals in all these movies were out of control and he managed to make believable characters out of puppets and CGI. That takes talent.
As far as I'm concerned, Lucas deserves every penny he makes on these movies. Revenge of the Sith left me more affected than any movie I've seen this year and probably more than anything since Spider-man 2. I won't even go into why, because it's probably not interesting to anyone on here.
You really think he's "not a good" director, Walter? Just because he's not a great character director? Did you see American Graffiti or THX 1138? I mean, is it really useful to talk about art in terms of "good" and "bad?"
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Postby dc » Thu May 26, 2005 9:44 am

i have issues with all 5 star wars movies that i have seen (haven't seen ep. 3 yet). mostly, it has to do with the acting - it's pretty much horrendous. i think hayden christenson and carrie fisher tie for worst actor/actress in the series. however, i can't say that i blame lucas' direction for this - much of it has to do with the script, much of it has to do with the talent of the actors. i liked how harrison ford played hans solo. he got into his character well; there's a reason why he became one of the highest grossing actors of all time and mark hamill became the voice of the joker on the batman cartoon.

now, i'm not letting lucas off the hook for everything, but i think his main foci with the star wars series is pretty obvious: inter-stellar battle of epic proportions, great visuals, and an amazing story. if i remember correctly, star wars ep. 4 was nominated for best picture...sans acting, it was a great story with great effects for that time.

personally, i don't like eps. 1 or 2; they merely seem like a way to get to the real story. from what i've read in reviews, ep. 3 is back into the comfortable territory of eps. 4-6 and lucas has found that niche as well.

i mean, come on...even ty burr liked it.
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Postby John Noonan » Thu May 26, 2005 12:58 pm

I think the original trilogy blows the prequels out of the water.

They didn't make believable characters out of CG. Yoda was awesome in Empire and Jedi, because he was a puppet. It was something the actors could actually see and interact with. Turning Yoda into a CG character may have helped him fly through the air, but it certainly didn't make me think he was believable.

And the dogfights just seem like fodder in the new films. In the old trilogy they actually mean something.

I think Lucas has just had lackeys kissing his butt for so long, that he thinks he can't do wrong...well he did...3 times no less.
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Postby Folschild » Thu May 26, 2005 1:10 pm

I completely disagree with almost everything everyone on here is saying. Star Wars blows, I guess.

Just wondering - if it sucks so much, why are we on here talking about it? What compelled you to give your opinion on it and why should anyone be interested in opinions on "rubbish?"
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Postby John Noonan » Thu May 26, 2005 2:44 pm

1st ammendment rights

The visuals in all these movies were out of control and he managed to make believable characters out of puppets and CGI. That takes talent.


Sure it takes some skill to make these things happen, but it's not Lucas making CG characters and running puppets. It's technicians at ILM, and despite the fact that he owns the company, it's not his skill. It's Lucas' job to take a mishmash of scenes and form them into a cohesive and interesting movie. CG doesn't make good movies.
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Postby Folschild » Thu May 26, 2005 3:33 pm

So you're just hear talking about it because it's your right? Why aren't you talking about cucumbers then? Or PICKLES for that matter? The first thing you thought of when you wanted to give your opinion on Star Wars is that it's under your First Amendment rights to do so and you did because of that and no other reason?

Sure it takes some skill to make these things happen, but it's not Lucas making CG characters and running puppets. It's technicians at ILM, and despite the fact that he owns the company, it's not his skill. It's Lucas' job to take a mishmash of scenes and form them into a cohesive and interesting movie. CG doesn't make good movies.


Remember Lucas wrote the movie too, so he didn't just string together a "mish-mash" of scenes, he created them to begin with. Without his ideas on what to create for CG , no one at ILM would be employed. Saying Lucas had nothing to do with the CG is the same as saying that John Williams had nothing to do with the score - he didn't play the instruments. If your statement is true, then Peter Jackson had nothing to do with LOTR looking so incredibly awesome, WETA Digital did everything for him.

I know CG doesn't translate into good movies. I also know that movies are collaborative products. But, a bunch of people running around with ideas can't work without a director. Lucas kicks butt and no one will convince me otherwise.
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Postby Patbirder » Thu May 26, 2005 10:42 pm

Say what you want about ep. 3- I still thought it was totally cool especially compared to most hollywood stuff that for me is shallow, full of cliches and boringly predictable.
Although I still feel it is a shame that the king of all that is annoying, Jar Jar Binks, didnt get sliced to pieces, blown to smithereens or at least crushed by some random debris, the movie was still fun to watch.
I usually hate cg stuff but I didnt mind Yoda flying around at all. I could watch him do cool force light saber stuff all day.
Maybe Jar Jar didnt get killed because the emperor can make use of his annoyance as a just a bit more of extra dark side negativity..hmmm.
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Episode III

Postby monkey » Fri May 27, 2005 4:05 am

Episode III is GREAT. Go see it. It's really fun and much better than Episodes 1 and 2.

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Postby John Noonan » Fri May 27, 2005 9:28 am

I don't know...I guess Lucas did so badly with ep 1 and 2, that nobody had any expectations for ep 3. I hold all the prequels in up to comparison with the original trilogy (and good movies in general), and find them all lacking. Of course, that's just my opinion.

Remember Lucas wrote the movie too, so he didn't just string together a "mish-mash" of scenes, he created them to begin with.


Um, my whole point is that Lucas didn't do this well...The original trilogy was awesome, but he's completely ruined the legacy with these 3 new monstrosities.

If your statement is true, then Peter Jackson had nothing to do with LOTR looking so incredibly awesome, WETA Digital did everything for him.


See, the difference between the LOTR trilogy and the SW prequels, is that LOTR is: 1. good 2. not relying on CG for absolutly everything.
Jackson used real sets and real actors as much as possible. He also did it well. And I dare venture that Gollum was far more realistic and able to suspend disbelief than the CG version of Yoda, Jar Jar, and General Grevius combined or seperate.

Saying Lucas had nothing to do with the CG is the same as saying that John Williams had nothing to do with the score - he didn't play the instruments.


I think the music was more interesting than the movie.

Why aren't you talking about cucumbers then? Or PICKLES for that matter?


I love pickles, but it's a little off topic isn't it?
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Postby Folschild » Fri May 27, 2005 10:10 am

I love pickles, but it's a little off topic isn't it?


Not if we're only here talking because we can and not because Star Wars is interesting and debatable. Technically our "topic" is an infinite amount of subjects and pickles sure fall under infinity.

I think the music was more interesting than the movie.


Does that mean you agree that Lucas is responsible for CG and puppet work in the movies? And yes, the music kicked total butt.

Yes, Gollum is the best CG character ever. Hands down.
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Postby John Noonan » Fri May 27, 2005 11:27 am

Does that mean you agree that Lucas is responsible for CG and puppet work in the movies?


Yes, Lucas was totally responsible for the terrible CG work that only served to degrade my suspension of disbelief.

Technically our "topic" is an infinite amount of subjects and pickles sure fall under infinity.


Actually, pickles are from a pocket dimension where things like causality and space-time do not exist. Thusly, the "pickle" entity falls well beyond the bounds of infinity within this universe.

The topic is episode 3, despite the fact that I can talk about it solely because I think pickles are the bomb doesn't mean that we should talk about pickles.
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Postby Folschild » Fri May 27, 2005 1:30 pm

The topic is episode 3, despite the fact that I can talk about it solely because I think pickles are the bomb doesn't mean that we should talk about pickles.


Pickles are not a pathway to discourse on Episode 3, the First Amendment is. We should talk about pickles because they taste good with sandwiches and on top of burgers and cheese burgers.

This is entirely my fault for starting a debate on movies in an online forum - Star Wars, Yang's forum and debating don't mix.

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Postby BaguaMonk » Mon May 30, 2005 6:47 am

Lucas had more like the "ideas" for the previous episodes written. I don't think he used the same script (which he most likely didn't have) that he had in the 70's for these incarnations. I saw Ep III again in theaters, dissapointing. It was ok to see everything wrapped up with characters and what not, but it still was not that "good." I Really think he has so much money, in such extensive ways among all generations, that these movies just served to finish that purpose, and extend his revenues even farther into the future. He doesn't even have to try to make it classic, they will forever be classic (the original triolgy, and its characters/themes).
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Postby John Noonan » Mon May 30, 2005 12:53 pm

Pickles are the path to the Dark Side...

And that's all I have to say.
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ep. 3

Postby dc » Mon Jun 06, 2005 11:08 am

oh man, i just saw episode 3 this past weekend and it was really really good. the script really really blew at points, but on the whole it was very solidly put together. there were some problems i had, such as crappy acting whenever natalie portman and christian haydenson were around each other and general grievous being a crappy fighter, but it was definitely had the most emotional impact of any star wars movie and is probably my favorite of the series.
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